Audio 17 June 1980 - Manchester Apollo, Manchester, England [Audience]

[Rush Archives]

Downloads:​

• Manchester Et Nous *recommended*
• Live In Manchester
• Manchester England

Track Listing:​

01 - 2112​

02 - Freewill​

03 - By-Tor And The Snow Dog​

04 - Xanadu​

05 - The Spirit Of Radio​

06 - Natural Science​

07 - A Passage To Bangkok​

08 - The Trees​

09 - Cygnus X-1​

10 - Hemispheres​

11 - Closer To The Heart​

12 - Beneath, Between And Behind​

13 - Jacob's Ladder​

14 - Working Man​

15 - Finding My Way​

16 - Anthem​

17 - Bastille Day​

18 - In The Mood​

19 - Drum Solo​

Notes:​

• It's unconfirmed whether this is from the first or second of the two consecutive nights at the Manchester Apollo, but based on Geddy's stage banter, it seems likely to be the first night.
• The recommended version of this recording is mostly complete, however is missing the encore with La Villa Strangiato.
• The other two versions of this recording have circulated for years as the "second night", though we've compared these and have discovered that they're all just different versions of the exact same recording. These other versions are slightly worse, and also more incomplete, starting during the guitar solo at the end of 2112's Presentation, and end after Beneath, Between And Behind. It may also be worth noting that even longer ago, one of these versions was incorrectly labeled as a "third" Manchester show on "June 19", despite only two shows having occurred
• The live tracks included in the Permanent Waves 40th Anniversary set feature songs stated to be from Manchester, however during the time since the release, I still have not yet taken the time to compare and figure which songs may match with this recording.

Preview:​

COMING SOON​

 

[stevew62]

My 4th Rush gig. Another where I hung around the back of the hall afterwards & met Alex & Geddy, getting autographs ( Unfortunatley long since gone )

here's the ticket

Rush_17_June_80_Manchester Ticket

 

[The Letter M]

The live tracks included in the Permanent Waves 40th Anniversary set feature songs stated to be from Manchester, however during the time since the release, I still have not yet taken the time to compare and figure which songs may match with this recording.

Out of curiosity this morning, I listened to "Natural Science" from both this AUD recording and from the PEW 40th Anniversary World Tour set, and the pre-song banter is a bit different. If all the released 1980 Manchester tracks are from the same show (which include "The Spirit Of Radio", "Natural Science", "A Passage To Bangkok", "The Trees", "Closer To The Heart" and "Beneath, Between & Behind"), then AFAIK, they're from June 17th, per the release notes of APTB from the 2012 releases of 2112. Though I did read they recorded both Manchester shows, so it might be a bit more nuanced and mixed up between those five released tracks.

It would be great if there was a definitive answer as to which nights the PEW 40th Anniversary World Tour tracks were from.

Edit - Just listened back to the banter between "Natural Science" and "A Passage To Bangkok" from this AUD record, and Geddy's introduction to Bangkok, while similar, has a slightly different cadence to it. On the intro for the officially released Manchester track for Bangkok, he does a pause while saying "We'd like to do something now that deals with, uh.... foreign matter", while on this AUD recording, he doesn't pause with an "uh" after "deals with", so at the very least, both "Natural Science" and "A Passage To Bangkok" may come from June 17th (if the given dates on official releases can bet trusted), while this AUD show would be from the 18th.

 

[By-Tor X-1]

@The Letter M It's been years since I compared the PeW 40th tracks with the various audience tapes, but I was certain of the date matches for songs I had noted down then. That's regarding the overall performance itself. Vocals tend to be the easiest aspect for me to make a match, but I do recall them mixing pre-song banter and even a guitar/vocal track from a different night for some songs in the Moving Pictures set, so it would not surprise me at all if some Frankenstein work was done on the Permanent Waves set as well. All the live album liner notes are never as detailed about these things as I'd like them to be, even going back to ATWAS and ESL. ESL suffers from this heavily from Frankenstein work and is only credited to Montreal for the 1981 tracks, which is definitely wrong.

 

[The Letter M]

@The Letter M It's been years since I compared the PeW 40th tracks with the various audience tapes, but I was certain of the date matches for songs I had noted down then. That's regarding the overall performance itself. Vocals tend to be the easiest aspect for me to make a match, but I do recall them mixing pre-song banter and even a guitar/vocal track from a different night for some songs in the Moving Pictures set, so it would not surprise me at all if some Frankenstein work was done on the Permanent Waves set as well. All the live album liner notes are never as detailed about these things as I'd like them to be, even going back to ATWAS and ESL. ESL suffers from this heavily from Frankenstein work and is only credited to Montreal for the 1981 tracks, which is definitely wrong.

Ahhh, gotcha. I figured they may have mixed-and-matches the songs between the shows for this set, especially since all the UK shows were multi-date stands and they seemingly recorded them all. I'm still a bit sad they didn't just release a singular full show, or at very least, a complete show between all the UK dates, including "2112" and everything from "Working Man" to the end.

For my own personal collection, I Frankenstein'd a live album from the St. Louis 80 and the UK shows from PEW 40 and Exit... Stage Left, though the between-song applause and banter are mostly lost because the PEW 40 set decided to cut out most of them in favor of fade-ins/fade-outs for every track (which I also found quite annoying). At least with the St. Louis bootleg and the PEW World Tour release (as well as ESL for its Glasgow tracks), it IS possible to cobble together a complete representation of the PEW Tour with soundboard audio, and possibly the only way to have that unless the band decided to release a full show in 2030 for the album's 50th anniversary. At least it's more than we got for the Signals Anniversary.

 

[By-Tor X-1]

This conversation reminded me that I've had a rough list of shows recorded by the band in a text file on my hard drive for years, so I decided to put this together with some summaries here on the website:

List of Professionally Recorded Rush Concert Audio: 70s & 80s

This is a list of Rush concerts that had audio professionally recorded in the 70s and 80s, all based on what we know from liner notes, old interviews, and matches made between official releases and audience recordings. By "professionally recorded", that means this list is referring only to...

rush-archives.net

In an ideal world, they would release new box sets of full unaltered shows, like Yes did with "Seven Shows from Seventy-Two", but Rush's management would never do something like this sadly.

Yeah... I find the PeW 40th release to only be enjoyable after trying to edit out the awful fades between songs... I can list out my complaints of really stupid things they did with almost every 40th box set, but this isn't the time and place for that. I used to have an edited version that I made into a full seamless 1980 show, but I deleted it some years back because I wasn't happy with it. I wanted to redo it at some point but never got around to it.

 

[Fish Eyelands]

This conversation reminded me that I've had a rough list of shows recorded by the band in a text file on my hard drive for years, so I decided to put this together with some summaries here on the website:

List of Professionally Recorded Rush Concert Audio: 70s & 80s

This is a list of Rush concerts that had audio professionally recorded in the 70s and 80s, all based on what we know from liner notes, old interviews, and matches made between official releases and audience recordings. By "professionally recorded", that means this list is referring only to...

rush-archives.net

In an ideal world, they would release new box sets of full unaltered shows, like Yes did with "Seven Shows from Seventy-Two", but Rush's management would never do something like this sadly.

Yeah... I find the PeW 40th release to only be enjoyable after trying to edit out the awful fades between songs... I can list out my complaints of really stupid things they did with almost every 40th box set, but this isn't the time and place for that. I used to have an edited version that I made into a full seamless 1980 show, but I deleted it some years back because I wasn't happy with it. I wanted to redo it at some point but never got around to it.

Same here, re-edited mine. Not flawless, but better without the stupid needless fades. the worst being The Trees-BBB. They're all supposed to flow together!

 

[The Letter M]

Same here, re-edited mine. Not flawless, but better without the stupid needless fades. the worst being The Trees-BBB. They're all supposed to flow together!

My personal "Permanent Waves World Tour" live had such short audience noise gaps between songs due to those needless fadeouts, and I couldn't really connect "The Trees" with "Cygnus X-1" like they do in concert. And I had to cobble together the segue between "Hemispheres" and "Closer To The Heart" using multiple sources, and it mostly works for me. For anyone curious, I used "2112" and "Working Man"-to-the-end from the St. Louis 80, the run of "Freewill"/"By-Tor"/"Xanadu" from London, then TSOR/NS/APTB/The Trees from Manchester, then back to London for both Cygnus books, and then the ESL Glasgow trio of CTTH/BBB/JL. It's not a 100% perfect "album", but it represents some of the best sounding material available....until we get a full soundboard bootleg or an official show from the band.

 

[SnowDog2112]

User "Pig" on TheRushForum shared their attempt at combining the source material into a cohesive Permanent Waves Tour album, and I find the transitions and EQ tweaks make it very listenable.

This version uses most of the material from the PeW 40th release, but takes CTTH/BBB/JL from ESL and the remaining songs from the St Louis 1980 bootleg. I find the performances on the St Louis bootleg to be better than those songs from PeW 40th, and have wanted to make my own version prioritizing the bootleg.

But ultimately I'm satisfied with keeping them separate. The full album is a nice completist version, but the raw energy of the bootleg lends itself to only include a "best of" track list. I made a playlist with those songs with no tweaks to the transitions, and frankly the added material from PeW 40th brought the whole thing down. The beginning of Cygnus, the end of Hemispheres, and Jacob's ladder are mellower songs and really disrupted the flow of the album. The early performance of Freewill lacks the punch the band developed after playing it over and over for years.

Maybe the bootleg + Bangkok, The Trees, and CTTH/BBB would be a worthy endeavor....