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Fifty Something Tour

TheAnalogKid

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Saw the announcement earlier today, the boys have decided to hit the road one more time to play a small handful of shows. How does everyone feel about this? I'm personally excited, since I only saw Rush twice. It will obviously not be the same without Neil, but I think knowing Geddy and Alex they're going to handle it with class and grace.

Here's the link from the website to sign up for the pre-sale if you guys are interested.


 
I'm glad The Duo are back and I like their idea of having additional musicians participate on-stage. Most of all, I'm eager to hear Anika. The last time Geddy and Alex picked a drummer for Rush, they made a legendary choice. I trust their instincts. I'm 100% behind her.

I'm hoping there will be lots of good footage, an official live album, audience recordings, etc. I'm near the Cleveland date, but haven't been a show-goer in decades. I'll likely miss out.

It'll be great to see a "Fifty Something Tour (2026)" category appear on this site someday. :) (edit: it's already here! dust off your DAT recorders!)
 
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I've been seeing a lot of differing opinions on this new tour, some that are at one extreme or the other extreme, and some simply just feeling conflicted. I feel like expressing my thoughts on it all, in full detail.
I have no desire to convince anyone or expect anyone to feel a certain way, my only hope is maybe it helps people feel a little peace about it all if they're conflicted by some aspect of it.
If you don't want to read all of this, I assure you it's not negative. It's simply a story of my own reflections on the matter.

I've seen the vast majority of people react with immediate pure joy with no second thought, though a fair number of people were absolutely devastated and even furious. I have to admit that my initial reaction upon learning the news was very subdued, confusion and not sure what to think. It was as real of a shock as getting hit in the head with a baseball bat. I've also seen a few people in a similar position to my own, just feeling conflicted without any extremes. It took me about 48 hours to fully process all the thoughts going on in my head and all the factors at play.

It would seem the only real controversy is the guys going back out as "Rush" without Neil. I understand why some people feel upset about that. I don't think anyone would have had a single issue if Geddy and Alex wanted to play together live again, in fact I think many of us expected it to happen at some point. Especially after the three 2022 appearances at tribute events. The difference now is the guys are the complete focus of the shows, not a short guest appearance, and clear-as-day playing as "Rush". Since 2015, and especially after Neil died in 2020, Geddy and Alex have made it clear "there's no replacing anyone in this band", "there can be no Rush without one of these three guys", they "don't want to be a Rush tribute band", etc. They'd even made it clear that Rush was a closed chapter in their lives and wouldn't happen again. Though here we are, starting this next chapter. Like it or not, the guys have chose to play again as "Rush". Choosing not to acknowledge it or try to find reason to demean the legitimacy of it, none of that changes the fact that "Rush" with Geddy and Alex are once again an active performing entity. This is how they're writing their own band's history. Does this mean they've sacrificed some sort of integrity, have done some sort of betrayal, or tarnished their legacy?

Rush without Neil on drums at this point in their history is clearly never going to be the same Rush. This particular topic can go all sorts of ways...
One one hand, it has been stated that a new drummer was acceptable in 1974 when John was let go from the band, because the band was very young, not a large legacy of music under their belt yet, and overall not yet well established outside of Ontario. The 40 years that followed with Neil Peart were the core of what made Rush what they are today - something irreplaceable. On the other hand, while it's often not something people talk about, Rush was a performing entity for almost 6 years with John Rutsey. It's easy to discount some of that and say "well they were just high schoolers in a cover band", which was true for a couple years. Everything starts somewhere, but it doesn't change the fact that by the last couple of years with John in the band that they were already becoming a tight machine and well established in the Toronto music scene. This whole era of "pre history" is often not kept acknowledged by a lot of fans sadly, some often even discount the first album as "not true Rush". It's another example of people trying to demean the legitimacy of what they don't care about. Whether you acknowledge it or not, Rush with John Rutsey had a rich history, an established following, and were very much the legitimate "Rush". Rush would not have been the same without those early years under their belt. If you go around enough and find out what the earliest fans were like, you'll find that there are even people who stopped liking Rush when Neil came along, because it wasn't quite the same with what they had been used to. It's a matter of individual perspective.

In our present case, we aren't getting a new drummer this time to help the band continue to grow or further their career to make a living. They aren't out to create new Rush music. As far as we know at least, but I think Geddy and Alex would surely feel wrong creating a new album as "Rush". That's a whole different topic I won't get into, but I'm sure you can imagine the implications of that. What we are getting, and as the statements from Geddy and Alex further enforce, is a tour to pay tribute to the music of Rush. Not only that, but also specified that it will focus heavily on paying tribute to Neil Peart. At the end of the day they are still 2/3 core Rush... not Steve Howe's 1/5 core Yes, which continues to make new music and heavily tour, but again that's a whole different topic.

Yes, it's a legacy tour. This is for anyone who really wanted to see Geddy and Alex play classic Rush music together once again, and also for those who never got to see them live. Did it need to happen? No, they had every right to retirement as long as that is what they wanted. Personally, I had easily found peace and moved on when the guys said Rush would never be a thing again. When Neil died, I had no desire for "Rush" to reform anyway, I only figured we may see a different Ged+Al project down the line. Would this new tour have happened if it weren't for the internet still incessantly crying out for years for a Rush reunion? I think this played a fair role. Whether or not though, Geddy and Alex have made it very clear that they miss playing Rush music together, they wouldn't have gone back on tour otherwise, so that is what they are doing.

So why use the name "Rush"? Well they are still 2/3 core of Rush playing Rush music, focusing on paying tribute to the music of Rush as well as Neil, and I suppose it was also the easiest thing to do business-wise versus trying to get themselves out under a different pseudonym for the sake of a Rush legacy tour. Whether they should have used another name or not can continue to be up for debate, because clearly it's the biggest issue people are having. I won't try to say the name should have been one way or another, this is just my analysis of why they are playing as "Rush". The highly conflicting feelings I initially had about this had faded after about 48 hours had past and I had time to contemplate everything. I don't think it's ever going to not feel a bit weird having "Rush" touring again without Neil behind the kit, but at this point I'm about 97% okay with it. I understand the purposes and reasonings behind it all, and I am happy for Geddy, Alex, Anika, and the fanbase. It's all fine.

I have zero doubt that all the same emotions and thoughts fans are feeling were all also felt by Geddy and Alex when considering the idea of touring again. There is no way they are insensitive to it, and they've shown many times over the years that the loss of Neil hit closer to them than even the fans. You can see it in their eyes and hear it in their voice. The persistent onslaught of "RIP Neil" online over the years no way can compare to what those two felt, it doesn't matter how big of a fan you are. They were closer to him than anyone. I am sure the topic came up between the guys about using another name. In the end they were able to find some peace in the fact that it would be okay to go out as "Rush", otherwise I highly highly doubt they would have done so. It probably took them a lot of time to think really hard about the name aspect, well before they decided they were definitely going to do the tour. Rush fans only just got hit with it out of the blue, and I think with time even those who are really upset may get more comfortable with it. Ged and Al were also given the blessings of Neil’s widow and daughter. At the end of the day, just with things in life in general, I often consider the phrase "life is short", and I think Geddy and Alex have as well when it came to these decisions - Do what makes yourself and others happy, don't get too hung up on perceived problems to where it negatively inhibits doing something bigger.

Anika Nilles seems to be a great pick. I spent a good bit of time watching her videos. I support her fully. I'm glad Geddy and Alex didn't pick one of the well known names from other well known bands, many of which would've mostly just wanted to be in it for "cool points". Besides, those drummers all have their own distinctive style and sound, I highly respect that Ged and Al picked someone who they feel is the best fit to play Rush music and do Neil's parts justice, as they explained themselves. Most importantly, someone who has no ego and who isn't going to upset the balance of the band - something that was integral to Rush's longevity and ability to perform like an oiled machine. People who claim they'd rather Portnoy, etc are totally missing these points. Some people are also arguing whether she's an "official member" or only a "touring member". To me it seems so trivial, it really doesn't make a difference. Technical terminology. She's playing drums with the guys, period.

Planning to add an individual keyboard player was also a smart move, it adds another layer to show that they aren't simply trying to recreate the same trio Rush that existed for 40 years with Neil. It's making it clearer that it's a new chapter of the band, one not to undermine or tarnish the past. I also don't think this will last that long. We may get more dates, yes. I think some people are also scared of them endlessly touring forever like Kiss, Steve Howe's Yes, etc, being another band that becomes an empty shell of their former selves. I truly believe Geddy and Alex still wouldn't allow Rush to devolve into that, and their efforts to find the right musicians shows that they are still very aware of this. I am not worried. They still have gas in the tank and want to do it while they physically can.

I believe that's all I have to say on the subject. The initial uneasiness I had was first calmed by hearing from, and then further reading, all what Geddy and Alex were saying. Some of which matched the conclusions I had already been coming to, along with all the other things I've mentioned above.

Lastly, will I go see them? I do understand that they don't want to travel around much anymore at this age, only hitting the biggest population centers, but I sure wish they'd add a few more cities to better disperse the shows to make it easier for fans to realistically travel to by road. It seems a lot of people feel that way too. That's my only serious complaint. Not sure why cities like either Atlanta or Charlotte, or either Vancouver or Seattle weren't considered. That being said, yes I plan on hopefully hitting one of the Fort Worth shows. Why not? It may be the last time. I have no doubt it will be enjoyable. I may even record!
 
Thanks for your reflections. For my own part, I'm very happy.

To be honest, I was happy for the R40 tour to be the end of Rush proper. My feeling was that Neil was a touch slower and a touch less powerful on that tour. And, insights from the Time Stand Still film and post-tour interviews with Geddy and Alex, made it clear that Neil was moving on in life. In addition, Alex's fingers are in pain (I know the feeling) and no longer effortlessly nimble. Geddy's voice is like the "fastball" thrown by a wily veteran pitcher, doesn't have the power, but paints the corners well enough. The tour was a perfect way to end an incredible run from 1974 through 2015. A great setlist representing every era well, with an incredible concept of going back in time. A feast of music, visuals, humor, and emotions. The fans couldn't have asked for anything more from that band.

After Neil died, it also became clear that Alex and Geddy had wanted to continue. I'm sure they don't need the money, they simply want to play their music. Of course, the same physical challenges remain for Geddy and Alex. But if they want to play their music, I'm happy for them, and happy to see them as often as I can (afford it...).

I have no issues with Alex and Geddy using the Rush name; every fan knows how special Neil was to them, and that those guys have integrity. The choice of drummer reflects their integrity, and I look forward to seeing how Anika approaches the songs. I also look forward to any possible surprise deep cuts, perhaps even some oldies, that they never would have done with Neil, done as instrumentals (Necromancer please - I can dream). And my hope is that the additional musicians will mean they discard the sampling gymnastics. No more buttons unleashing a chorus of Geddy voices and sound effects. Just instruments, that would be great. The tribute(s) to Neil will be an integral part of the experience I assume, and will serve to evoke many tears and a sense of community and respect at every show. The placement of shows at major hubs is a good way to reach as many fans as possible without touring in the traditional way. I suspect they may add even more dates to these hubs and also take it over the sea to a couple of European hubs.

My only issue is the ticket prices. I suppose it's the reality of today, and perhaps is a semi-accurate reflection of inflation (look at how much milk costs now), and also may be necessary to support the kind of presentation that Rush puts forward. Their tours involve a large organization of people and equipment. I look forward to seeing what Howard U. comes up with, assuming he'll still be at the helm. The last few tours (esp. Time Machine, Clockwork Angels, and R40) were sublime in the visual/film department. But still, shelling out hundreds of dollars for "cheap seats" and being priced out of floor seats simply sucks.

I'm very happy I'll be in the building again with those two guys, who have meant so much to me over the past 41 years.
 
I also appreciate your comments, and echo most of them. However, Rush is their band and they can do whatever they want to do - performing, writing new music, or nothing. It's not up to us fans, and it doesn't matter how we feel. It matters how they feel. They were very clear in interviews that they wanted to keep the music alive and honor Neil. They even spoke to Neil's widow and daughter about it. That's class, no matter what anyone thinks. I am happy that they are happy, doing what they love. I would aslo be happy if they chose to do nothing. They certainly don't have to do anything.

You also have to remember, Rush has been around a very long time. There were other members of the band. At one point, Geddy was fired from the band. They were also named Hadrian for short period of time. Other members:
  • Jeff Jones – lead vocals, bass (1968)
  • Lindy Young – keyboards, backing and lead vocals, guitars, percussion, harmonica (1969)
  • Joe Perna – bass, lead and backing vocals (1969)
  • Bob Vopni – guitars, backing vocals (1969)
  • Mitch Bossi – guitars, backing vocals (1971–1972)
My opinion is that Rush is Rush, no matter what or who... as long as the music is honored and the spirit is being carried.
 
There was an interview yesterday that managed to have some interesting points. They say Anika is comfortable with about 25 of 40 songs at this point, and they named the keyboardist who will be accompanying them on tour, Loren Gold, who seems to be quite experienced.



I'm unreasonably excited for this tour to start. It's been a very long time since I've seen these songs played live and it will be my daughter's first opportunity to be at a really big show, especially for a band that has been incredibly significant to my life.

I'm wondering whether an Asian/Oceania leg will be added. They've never really done an Asian tour, just a few shows one year in Japan.
 
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Hope you all don't mind me cluttering this board with a very long personal musing... I'd be interested in folks' thoughts/speculation about the "40 songs" and the setlist for the upcoming tour.

Since the internet became a thing, I have resisted learning about the setlist before attending a show. So every first show I saw from the Vapor Trails through R40 tours was a surprise, as had been the case for me from the T4E tour and before. It made seeing things like By-Tor and Working Man, the acoustic Resist, the R30 medley, Moving Pictures in its entirety, Bangkok, Digital Man, Entres Nous, Circumstances, the 80s songs on CA tour, and the R40 "going back in time" setlist (Jacob's Ladder! Lakeside Park! What You're Doing!) all revelations in real time.

However, intentionally going in blind didn't mean that I also eliminated speculation and hopes and dreams prior to the tours. I'd like to indulge in that exercise here.

I think we can take Alex, Geddy, and Anika, at their word that 25 songs have been mastered by the three, and 15 more are on deck for woodshedding, for a total of 40 songs. Some of the 40 will be in constant rotation, creating 5 different set lists (per Alex) that will be rotated each performance night. Anika, in her recent interview, confirmed that there will be no leaks about the setlist.

Here are my speculations (and some hopes and dreams), album by album with a total of 40 songs. I define "speculation" as something that has a good chance of happening given past tours, the state of Geddy's voice at his advanced age, and just a gut feeling. I define "hope" as a song that I'd love to see and that has a decent chance of at least being realistically considered by the band. I define "dream" as a highly unlikely possibility, but doable in some way by the band, and something I'd dearly love to experience.

Rush: 2 songs
Speculation - Working Man, In the Mood
Dream - Before and After (instrument intro part only), Garden Road (not on the first album, but of the era)

FBN: 1 song
Speculation - Anthem ala R40, or nothing.
Hope - By-Tor

Caress: No songs
Speculation - nothing, or Lakeside Park ala R40
Dream - Instrumental condensed version of The Necormancer; or No One at the Bridge, done with vocals an octave lower (same key) sung softly and mournfully. (Unrealistic, but holding out hope that Alex makes a play for one of these!)

2112: 1 song
Speculation - a condensed presentation of 2112
Dream - a surprise is offered from 2112 - Twilight Zone (perhaps detuned, or original key but sung an octave lower) or Bangkok

AFTK: 2 songs
Speculation - Xanadu, Closer to the Heart
Hope - abbreviated Cygnus ala R40 tour

Hemispheres: 2 songs
Speculation - The Trees and La Villa
Hope - Hemispheres Prelude ala R40 tour
Dream - An acoustic performance of The Sphere

Waves: 4 songs
Speculation - The Spirit Of Radio, Freewill, Natural Science, Different Strings (I think they pull this one out - in Geddy's vocal wheelhouse, there will be a keyboard player, and we'll finally get to hear a longer solo at the end!)
Hope - Jacob's Ladder ala R40 tour

Pictures: 6 songs
Speculation - Tom Sawyer, Limelight, YYZ, Red Barchetta, Vital Signs, Witch Hunt

Signals: 2 songs
Speculation - Subdivisions, Analog Kid
Hope - Losing It ala R40 tour
Dream - Chemistry (it's been a long time)

GUP: 2 songs
Speculation - Distant Early Warning, Red Sector A
Hope - Kid Gloves, Between the Wheels, Afterimage (can imagine how poignant this could be, perhaps too much so for it to be performed)

Windows: 3 songs
Speculation - Big Money, and 2 other tracks from this group - Territories, Mystic Rhythms, and Marathon

HYF: 2 songs
Speculation - Force 10, Mission

Presto: 2 songs
Speculation - Show Don't Tell, The Pass

Bones: 3 songs
Speculation - Roll the Bones, Bravado, Ghost of a Chance

Counterparts: 2 songs
Speculation - Animate, Leave That Thing Alone
Dream - Cut to the Chase

T4E: No songs
Speculation - Nothing, or Driven
Dream - Dog Years

Vapor Trails: 1 song
Speculation - One Little Victory
Hope - Secret Touch
Dream - Vapor Trail

Feedback: No songs
Speculation - Nothing (they won't use up precious time with a cover)

Snakes and Arrows: 2 songs
Speculation - Far Cry, Faithless

CA: 3 songs
BU2B, Headlong Flight, The Garden

Additional considerations - Will there be a drum solo? Perhaps not at all, or perhaps something that is Anika's flavor and is fit logically somewhere in the set, or within a song. Will there be a solo acoustic/classical guitar break? Will T4E be shut out again? Will the resurrection of Caress of Steel to the setlist continue?

Gut feelings - I think Different Strings will find its way into the setlist; Vital Signs and/or Witch Hunt will return; The Garden, and maybe Afterimage, will be performed as great tribute moments; there will be an instrumental in each of the two sets.

Looking at the list above - 40 songs is a lot. It provides so much opportunity for songs never performed before. But if you look at the list above - the numbers that feel very much like solid Rush "hits" take up a lot of the 40 songs. There are so many songs that the band "must" play on this tour - the fun will be seeing what nuggets are rotated among the different nights.

Any other thoughts, gut feelings out there?

Cheers.
 
They've also mentioned that ~40% of the nightly setlist will rotate over the five night cycle, and Geddy confirmed two one hour sets per recent tours (total 2:15 with encore).

So that's almost an entire set changing every night. Based on recent tours that would be up to ten songs, which doesn't make sense with the 40 song library, so I think the rotating part of the set will be heavy on longer older tracks. That also gives a lot of space to Anika to insert her own style because there is a little more space for drum parts on some of those songs (Xanadu obviously a notable exception with very arranged drumwork, and chunks of 2112). That's consistent with the comments that they have been working out areas where she needs to retain Neil's arrangements and where she can deviate.

It would take me all day or maybe a couple days to really reason out my full setlist, but i think we will get an overrepresentation of p/g to pw material because Geddy, and I'm hoping for parts I-III of Fear.

The song T4E has great music but Pye's lyrics are probably as anti-Neil as he gets so I don't think it will show up. I'd like Half the World to show up.
 
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I think that Half the World has a half a chance, given the ongoing salience of the lyrics, the ease of singing for Geddy, and the contrast it provides as a simpler song that is an easy hum along.

I'm so stuck in the R40 vibe, and guess that for Geddy and Alex that tour is a starting point for constructing a setlist because they looked at it as (according to a lot of Geddy's statements) somewhat unfinished business. Based on that sense, I think (and personally hope) that most of the older albums will not be shut out of this tour, and each era, if not album, will have an equal representation, with Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures (as the most popular and familiar era) getting a higher representation. I hear what you're saying though about GUP and Windows possibly getting that greater representation. Firmly in Geddy's vocal wheelhouse, Windows is a Geddy favorite, and GUP is having its revival through the reissue.
 
Ok I did it faster than I thought. It turns out 40 songs is really restrictive if you want to rotate that much of your setlist every night.

By the time you knock out the favorites and more recent material, there's not a lot of room for my personal favorite stuff. I feel like Moving Pictures is overrepresented in this list as well, hard to avoid it.

I'd love to see a 80s - 00s heavy extremely political setlist but that's definitely not happening.

I'm not sure that this is realistic either because there are some seriously deep cuts just to make the runtime tie out.

Set 1
The Spirit of Radio
Limelight
Tom Sawyer
Subdivisions
YYZ
Drum Solo
Red Barchetta
Animate
Secret Touch
Far Cry
Armor and Sword

Set 2a
La Villa Strangiato
Working Man
Finding My Way
Anthem
Drum Showcase
Fountain of Lamneth

Set 2b
La Villa Strangiato
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
The Necromancer
Drum Showcase
2112

Set 2c
Cygnus X1 Book 1
Cygnus X1 Book 2
Drum Showcase
Xanadu
La Villa Strangiato

Set 2d
La Villa Strangiato
Jacob's Ladder
Natural Science
Drum Showcase
The Pass
Bravado
Working Them Angels
The Way the Wind Blows
The Larger Bowl

Set 2e
La Villa Strangiato
Freewill
The Camera Eye
Drum Showcase
Time Stand Still
Second Nature
Red Sector A
Marathon
Territories

Encore
The Wreckers
Headlong Flight
Closer to the Heart

It's a tough enough task to have five mostly unique second sets that I think that is not what is actually happening. Maybe some stuff is repeated two or three nights out of five, that would make the task a lot easier and wouldn't require you to do crazy things like assume they're playing long versions of all these old album sides when they've almost always abridged them if they've been played at all.
 
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